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There We Stood, Here We Stand : Eleven Lutherans Rediscover Their Catholic Roots [Paperback]

By Timothy Drake (Author) & Richard John Neuhaus (Author)
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Pages   170
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 9" Width: 6.28" Height: 0.49"
Weight:   0.63 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   Aug 1, 2001
Publisher   1st Books Library
ISBN  0759613206  
EAN  9780759613201  

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Nearly 500 years after Martin Luther nailed his 95-theses to the church door at Wittenberg, the Lutheran Church has split again and again. What went wrong? These thought-provoking testimonies by eleven former Lutherans reveal how far the Lutheran Church has strayed from Luther. They include moving stories from four former female pastors, three former pastors, and others. Their intensely personal stories address the differences between Lutheranism and Catholicism - differences so profound that they have led many into the Catholic Church. Whether you are Lutheran or Catholic you'll come away from this book with a new, and perhaps life-changing perspective.

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Great for Lutherans Considering Catholicism  Apr 6, 2004
This book is a great resource for the Lutheran considering the Catholic faith. It is tailored for the Lutheran mind and experience. It would not be my first choice for non-Lutherans considering the Catholic faith. For non-Lutherans, I recommend Steve Ray or Scott Hahn.

The book is a series of conversion stories set forth in the first person. The contributors are from ELCA, Wisconsin and Missouri Synods. The experiences of each of the converts reflect the particular concerns engendered by their particular Lutheran persuasion. To that end, the book is a broad spectrum of experience. This is its strength.

This collection of conversion stories gives fair treatment to faith and doctrine. Religious experience is colored in as well. In all, this book is worth the purchase. If you are Lutheran or desire to understand concerns that Lutherans may have with the Catholic faith, this is a must read.

From Reformation to Rome  Feb 18, 2004
A few years back British Airways had an arresting ad slogan for travel to England: "Come home America, all is forgiven." Along with Pope John Paul II offering apologies on behalf of the Church, Rome has been echoing this slogan to the Reformation churches. In this book, eleven Lutherans tell why they took up the offer. This book differs somewhat from the general interest, dumbed-down sort of conversion story. Few of these writers would sum up with the line from "Amazing Grace," "I once was blind, but now I see." These stories are far more involved and candid than you would expect. They give interesting insights into the differences and commonalities in the various Lutheran bodies, and the book may be of interest to Catholics wondering how Protestants view their communion. Most of all, however, this book will be of interest to Protestants of various stripes who share a lively interest in spiritual things and will find echoes in these writers' accounts of their own life stories.
What they saw....  Dec 15, 2003
This book is one of many that are now available from former Protestants who have embraced Roman Catholicism. I especially enjoyed the stories of those woman pastors who had to be very brave to leave their vocation behind to embrace Roman Catholicism. I wonder, though, if liturgical reform and better cathechesis does not make itself known with Roman Catholicism if we might not see a similar book written by ex-Catholics?
Catholics Incognito and Lutheran Amnesia  Dec 28, 2002
THis book is a real eyeopener for any Lutheran considering the claims of the Roman Catholic Church. Emil Brunner, a Lutheran theologian, once wrote something to the effect of, "If a Lutheran does not know why he not a catholic, he doesn't know why he is a Lutheran." Such a statement reflects the fact that Lutheranism is in many respects understood only within the catholic framework from which it was born. Unlike nearly all Protestant sects, Lutheranism is traditionally highly liturgical and sacramental. This is unfortunately changing.

So many Lutherans are getting tired of the "let's beat drums, get revved up, and reinvent the Christian liturgical 'wheel' each year" mentality that has taken hold ELCA and a large part the LCMS (and parts of the Roman Church). This book reflects some of the discouragement with such "renewal", which owes much to the historical amnesia that has clouded over the Lutheran church in recent decades, causing it to forget its catholic heritage in favor of pop trends and "let's bring 'em in" showmanship which has turned the altar into a stage.

Each of the 11 chapters is well-written and makes the typical arguments about the weakness and ahistorical nature of such a fundamental Lutheran teaching like sola scriptura, the importance of the pope, the role of Mary and the saints, etc. The role of tradition is at stake here, and each writer has thrown their vote with the historical record of Rome.

I am not a Roman Catholic, but I am a former Lutheran, and many of these articles hit home. I kept saying to myself, "Yup, I remember coming to that realization too!"

There are many Catholic books out there to get you to rethink Protestantism- Scoot Hahn, Stephen Ray, Tom Howard, etc.

If you are thinking that you really want to stay in the Lutheran communion instead of jumping ship, then I would heartily recommend the works of Carl Braaten, especially his "Mother Church: Ecclesiology and Ecumenism", which in part argues that Lutherans need to return to their roots in an episcopal office. It is well worth the time. You may find yourself a lifelong frustrated Lutheran, but hey, someone needs to do it!

I would, of course, prod you to look at some Eastern Orthodox books, to keep everything balanced. Jordan Bajis' "Common Ground" is a great resource for those interested in Orthodoxy from a Catholic or Protestant mindset, as are Ware's "The Orthodox Way" and "The Orthodox Church". To tie it all together, or to confuse everything, the first two volumes of Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" and his "Vindication of Tradition" are great historical overviews of the early church (and he is a Lutheran-turned-Eastern Orthodox! I had to say it, sorry.)

Enjoy the journey!

What is a Lutheran?  Aug 9, 2002
"Lutheran" was a term first coined by a papal Bull issued by Pope Leo X threatening Martin Luther, and all those who supported him, with great harm if he did not recant in 60 days. Those who were his followers and who adhered to his doctrines (especially to a list of 41 propositions which had been declared heretical) were to be henceforth known as "Lutheran".

Today, there are quite a few people who consider themselves to be "Lutheran," a label which distinguishes their beliefs from those of others; many of these have spent a large part of their lives as a member of a specific Protestant denomination that also goes by the name "Lutheran." It is, however, a little odd when a name like "Luther" has been used to support a number of views which Martin Luther never held and, in fact, explicitly disagreed with in his lifetime.

I am very glad that those who provided their testimonies in the book in question have now found a home in the Roman Catholic Church. That institution is likely more amenable to the sort of views they have always held and they had the integrity to reject Lutheranism rather than to practice Roman Catholicism under a false name. Of course, the simple irony that it was the Roman Catholic church which Luther struggled against throughout his life will not escape those who are familiar with this part of history. Some measure of relief may be found, therefore, in the fact that Luther's name has been left behind by men and women who never sympathized with his perspective after all but who were, for all intents and purposes, Roman Catholics at heart.

In that respect, it is good to see that these individuals have courageously embraced a faith they had never been at odds with, as Luther certainly was, casting aside a name that Roman Catholics still utter with contempt. The wheat is separated from the tares at last, yet I must confess that I cannot give the book a very high rating for one solid reason: it is inaccurate. "Lutheran" is a word that has always stood for something more than a mere membership in a church. It stands in memory of a man who countered the corruption of the Roman Catholic church of his day and who eventually championed a return to Biblical Christianity. In that sense, none of these men and women were really ever "Lutheran" at all and the Roman Catholic church of Luther's day may very well have welcomed them in as prodigal children. So it is a bit unfair to suggest that "Eleven Lutherans" rediscovered their Catholic Roots, for a Lutheran, as Martin Luther said of himself, is first a respecter of the Word of GOD and next a respecter of GOD's work in history and a member of the universal Body of believers. But institutions held little importance for Martin Luther, comparatively speaking, thus he had few Roman Catholic roots to speak of.

All in all, it seemed a bit confusing to read a book filled with individuals who simply lacked the historical perspective they claimed to embrace and who did not realize the profound implications of the ideas of a GOD-mastered man who lent his name to a movement to which they were never active participants.


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