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The TNIV and the Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy [Paperback]

By Wayne Grudem (Author) & Vern Poythress (Author)
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Pages   528
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 8.92" Width: 6.12" Height: 1.24"
Weight:   1.87 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   Jan 1, 2005
Publisher   B&H Publishing Group
ISBN  0805431934  
EAN  9780805431933  


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"The Bible is God's own Word to us." Translating the words of God has become an even more daunting task in recent years as the pressure of "political correctness" and various activist agendas have sought to influence the landscape. No issue has become more controversial than gender-neutral Bible translations, especially with the release of the TNIV. Vern Poythress and Wayne Gruden examine the translation practice of replacing the generic "he" and the specific "father" with the gender-neutral "they" and "parent" with special attention focused on the TNIV. While translators may be well intentioned in seeking not to offend, Poythress and Grudem contend that the results are subtly changing meanings of the original texts. The authors seek to build a dialogue that will result in understanding both sides of the gender-neutral controversy and the challenge of providing accurate Bible translations.

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"The Bible is God's own Word to us." Translating the words of God has become an even more daunting task in recent years as the pressure of "political correctness" and various activist agendas have sought to influence the landscape. No issue has become more controversial than genderneutral Bible translations, especially with the release of the TNIV.

Vern Poythress and Wayne Grudem examine the translation practice of replacing the generic "he" and the specific "father" with the gender-neutral "they" and "parent" with special attention focused on the TNIV. While translators may be well intentioned in seeking not to offend, Poythress and Grudem contend that the results are subtly changing meanings of the original texts.

The authors seek to build a dialogue that will result in understanding both sides of the gender-neutral controversy and the challenge of producing accurate Bible translations.

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Vern S. Poythress (PhD, Harvard University; ThD, University of Stellenbosch) is professor of New Testament interpretation at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where he has taught for nearly four decades. In addition to earning six academic degrees, he is the author of numerous books and articles on biblical interpretation, language, and science.



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You Know The Funniest Part Of This Controversy?  Jan 1, 2007
It is the employment by NIV advocates of the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS that the KJV folks use against the NIV. You read that correctly: the NIV folks are using the SAME ARGUMENTS against the TNIV as the KJV folks used against them for twenty years.

Why the hypocrisy?

It starts with the dedication - the book is dedicated to James Dobson who saw the 'preservation of Scripture' was imperiled and sounded the alarm.

EXCUSE ME?

James Dobson is not a Greek or Hebrew scholar (as is later noted in the discussion of the 'controversy') - and the NIV uses dynamic equivalence, i.e. they generally do NOT use a word-for-word translation - but now they want to force one on masculine pronouns?

I find it to be an old controversy and one where the princpiles are acting just like they accused the KJV folks of acting years ago - accurately.

The book, however, IS a good read on the subject of the controversy. Just remember: you're only getting one side of the story.

 
gender neutral translations are not new...  Aug 2, 2005
any hype re: gender neutral or "unbiased" translations is ridiculous. They are no new news! the RSV and the NRSV have been out for 20-30 years; each translation is gender neutral and very literal in its approach to the text. Anyone who tries to find an agenda behind having an accurate translation of Hebrew and Greek has an agenda themself -- to keep the Bible as representative of a form of Christianity where men have a special place and the language of maleness is undeniably present in places where this is simply untrue. Anyone who has a decent Hebrew or Greek lexicon can discover for themselves that pronouns used in the original text are often neutral and have been translated in the KJV or NIV according to trends in English usage, not original manuscripts.
 
Doesn't keep up to date with 2005..But still worth reading!  Mar 2, 2005
All of this book's critiques are based on the TNIV's 2002, release. If the reader of this book looks carefully at this book's examples of where the TNIV goes wrong, you'll notice it references the 2002 edition. But there are differences between the 2005 and 2002 edition. These changes were probably made because of people like Grudem!

This book does explain their side well. They did expose some questionable parts of the 2002 edition, and their critiquing of the TNIV is probably what drove some updates to be made of the 2005 edition.

I think this book illustrates why it is good to always have two opposites arguing an issue. Just like in politics, each side's constant critiquing of the other, only drives the final product to be stronger! If the Grudem like people did not exist, some real problems could have remained in the TNIV 2005 edition. On the other hand, if TNIV folks did not exist, our Bible translations would remain using language that does not address the changes of today's language. We wouldn't realize that "he\man\brothers" no longer means both male and females to those using today's language.

The TNIV does have some issues, but so do all Bible translations. Just like with any other Bible translation, you should have one or two others that you read also. Grudem's picking apart of the TNIV does not invalidate it as a translation, anymore than picking apart the nasb or kjv would invalidate them as translations also

Read this book, so your views on this issue can be sharpened. Then go buy a book favoring inclusive language and read that too!

 
Excellent overview and scholarly discussion  Feb 7, 2005
Ok, whether you agree that women should be ministers or not, the thing is here not to tamper with the wording of the Bible. The introduction is written by an egalitarian professor who, while supporting female ordination, opposes gender-neutral Bibles because they are dishonest.

The editors and publishers of the TNIV have been very dishonest with the public and the evangelical world at large. They signed the Colorado Springs Guidelines then withdrew days before the TNIV NT was released - long after they violated their pledge to not do a gender-neutral Bible.

These authors go point-by-point to show the problems with gender-neutral translations of Scripture as well as the history of the whole TNIV business. They argue in favor of neutrality where warranted (e.g. the word "anthropos" as "human") but the opposition goes further, mandating that the word for male (Gk "aner") can also mean anyone, which is bad Greek and bad theology.

If you want to rewrite the Bible to fit your theology (or to make money), just admit it. If you want good translation principles, read this book, which is far more fair to the opposition than egalitarian books (e.g. D.A. Carson's book) are to the complimentarian side.
 
Grudem's Grudge  Feb 6, 2005
Grudem's perspective on the TNIV translation is informed by his sexist intepretation of scripture. He claims that the TNIV is a "gender neutral" translation. This is a false statement. The TNIV is actually a gender specific translation, meaning that the gender language is masculine when the text clearly refers to men, feminine when the text clearly refers to women, and inclusive when the text clearly refers to both. Grudem's preferred translations, which use masculine language when women are clearly included with men, would more accurately be described as "gender neutral".

Grudem's nit-picking with the TNIV in his latest book is his attempt at undermining the credibility of a translation that he finds threatening. Grudem finds the TNIV threatening because he holds to what he claims is a "biblical" view of men and women in which women are to always be subjugated to male authority. Any translation that reveals the inclusiveness of women in the scriptures threatens his "biblical" view of womens' roles in the church and in the home. Grudem fears that the TNIV will grow in popularity and that his beloved NIV may fade in popularity. He successfully steamrolled (effectively sensored) the publishing of the NIVi in the United States several years ago, and he is unhappy that the IBS and Zondervan didn't give up on publishing a gender-accurate translation. His grudge against them for not completely caving in to his influence seems to be motivating his "scholarship".

Grudem's arguments against the TNIV are not in keeping with a clear understanding of the principles of Biblical translation. The official TNIV website clearly defends the translation against these mis-guided attacks, and further discussion about translation is readily available online. For a balanced understanding of the issues of biblical translation, don't bother reading Grudem.
 

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