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Rome Has Spoken . . .: A Guide to Forgotten Papal Statements, and How They Have Changed Through the Centuries [Paperback]

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Pages   256
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 8.99" Width: 6.01" Height: 0.76"
Weight:   0.91 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   Dec 1, 1998
Publisher   The Crossroad Publishing Company
ISBN  0824517741  
EAN  9780824517748  


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Will the Roman Catholic Church ever change its position on women's ordination, contraception, clerical celibacy, or even infallibility itself? Is change possible, or are all teachings etched in stone? For some Catholics, the answer is in the old adage, "Rome has spoken, the case in closed." Yet history tells a different story. When Rome speaks, the debate often heats up, and the case is never closed. For the first time the documentation of these changes is complied in a single volume. Expert commentators put the changing ideas into historical and theological contexts. Rome has Spoken is a fascinating reference for adult Catholics and for anyone interested in the history of religion.

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Will the Roman Catholic Church ever change its position on women's ordination, contraception, clerical celibacy, or even infallibility itself? Is change possible, or are all teachings etched in stone?

For some Catholics, the answer is in the old adage, "Rome has spoken, the case is closed." Yet history tells a different story. When Rome speaks, the debate often heats up. And the case is never closed.

For the first time the documentation of these changes is complied in a single volume. Expert commentators put the changing ideas into historical and theological contexts. Rome Has Spoken ... is a fascinating reference for adult Catholics and for anyone interested in the history of religion.

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Fantastic Source Book  Nov 30, 2001
This is a well researched, well written book that exposes much of the hypocricy of some of Vatican thought, and puts a lie to the phrase that often comes out of Rome, "As we have always taught..." It definitely shows how Church doctrine has, as Rome says, "developed," over the years. It is also a very very instructive and accurate source on many of the issues that are of real importance to the People of Godde. It is written in clear and consice language, is easy for just about anyone to understand, and is worth every penny.
 
Telling, but unsympathetic  Jul 19, 2001
This book uses two techniques, with differing effects, to illustrate its point. First, it uses actual quotes from past papal and magisterial pronouncements in order to paint a picture of the Church's opinion on any given topic at various times through history. This first technique is admirable and effective. The stars I give are merited because of this, and so the book is a useful reference tool, if nothing else.

The actual text of the book comes in the form of commentaries, which follow the aforementioned quotations. This text, as well as the introduction, tell more about the biases of the authors than of the church. Biased though, it may be, the opinions expressed are not invalid. They are, however, unbalanced. In the introduction of the book, the authors identify themselves as largely feminist activists who support new translations of Scripture that attempt to use gender-neutral language in every verse (leaving out he and she, and substituting "spouse" for husband or wife). I fail to see how such relanguaging does anything to help the feminist cause, as it only disguises real sexism that clearly existed in the first century and other times. I also find it curious that, when it suits their needs, Church documents are *not* rewritten in gender neutral terms, presumably so that early church "sexim" can be exposed. While I am sympathetic to the authors' aim at revealing such things, I would much rather they do in an intellectually honest fashion.

On the whole, if you are looking for a compendium of actual church documents (no amount of bias has altered the utility of the quotations that make up the lion's share of the book's merit) then this book is worth having. Better yet, once you have the book, look up their quotations for yourself to get a better historical perspective on what they selected.

 
From the point of view of an historian. . .  Feb 10, 2001
. . .this book is unacceptable.

I am not a Roman Catholic. I am a clergyman and an historian, with a keen interest and background in Church history. I also keep up-to-date on the various political, social, and religious points of view within Christianity.

Any serious scholar (Protestant OR Catholic) who has seriously studied the history of Christianity AND who is familiar with "who is writing what" these days, will immediately recognize that because many of the contributers to this volume are so far out of the mainstream of Catholic thought -- even liberal Catholic thought -- the ultimate usefulness and validity of the entire volume is called into question.

Each Christian Church or denomination has its own share of malcontents -- and the Catholic Church is no different. The difference here, is that compared to many other denominations, non-conforming and dissident Catholics are permitted a voice. If the reader doesn't believe me, try publically dissenting from "official" teaching in a liberal Protestant denomination, or in a Fundamentalist church.

There are certainly persons within the Catholic Church who disagree with Church teaching on key issues. But this volume would have been far more valuable if it had not limited its contributers to the radical fringe.

Sorry -- this isn't the way to properly dissent. No stars.

PS (Note to previous reviewer Rev. Chet Scalese -- by her own admission, one of the editors is NOT a Roman Catholic. This book is not a presentation by "honest" Catholics in good standing!)

 
Hope for Catholicism  Jan 10, 2001
Contrary to those who have criticized this work (probably without even reading it), 'Catholic bashing' is anything but the point to be pressed. This work was written by two Catholic women who strongly believe in their faith.

The two authors attempt to point out how the Catholic Church has evolved it's teachings over the years from often times corrupt to a much more compassionate and liberating theology. In many ways this work gives hope to liberal Catholics who are troubled by what seems to be stagnant doctrine and seek change in their faith.

The contents include papal words and laws on: infallibility, scriptural interpretation, religious freedom, slavery, women in the clergy, science and much more. Each chapter goes through early church teacings to modern. After reading this work (as a non-Catholic), I have a new found respect for Pope John Paul II and his courage.

To those who find 'change' as a threat, I suggest reading the early church teachings and conduct and ask yourself 'Would I honestly wish to live in this realm of thought?'

I think we both know the answer.

 
Malcontents Have Spoken  Dec 24, 2000
This is a book you will want to skip. Poorly written by an ideologue with an agenda. The worst sort of screed disguised as history. Brings to mind the "double speak" writings of the Chinese Communists.
 

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