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Jesus And The Father [Paperback]

By Giles Kevin (Author)
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Pages   320
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 9.08" Width: 6.12" Height: 0.85"
Weight:   0.95 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   Jun 1, 2006
Publisher   Zondervan Publishing
ISBN  0310266645  
EAN  9780310266648  
UPC  025986266646  

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This book is about the contemporary debate among evangelicals on the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and the controversial issues surrounding the relationship between the divine Father and Son. It particularly challenges eternal economic subordination of Son to the Father?a view espoused by many evangelicals?and explains what the historic distinctions between economic Trinity and immanent Trinity really imply.

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The doctrine of the Trinity is one of the cornerstones of Christianity. In Jesus and the Father, Kevin Giles wrestles with questions about the Trinity that are dividing the evangelical community: What is the error called 'subordinationism'? Is the Son eternally subordinated to the Father in function? Are the Father and the Son divided or undivided in power and authority? Is the Father-Son-Spirit relationship ordered hierarchical or horizontal? How should the Father and the Son be differentiated to avoid the errors of modalism and subordinationism? What is the relationship between the so-called economic Trinity and the immanent Trinity? Does the Father-Son relationship in the Trinity prescribe male-female relationships in the home and the church? 'Kevin Giles points out serious problems in the teaching that the Son is eternally subordinated to the Father and argues effectively for the full eternal equality within the Trinity. This book should be read by all who wrestle with the complex but crucial doctrine of the Trinity.'---Millard Erickson, author, Christian Theology 'By showing that subordinationism is a revival of a heresy that was systematically rejected by the non-Arian Church, the author reinstates the classical orthodox doctrine of the Trinity in all its scriptural majesty and grandeur.'---Gilbert Bilezikian, professor emeritus, Wheaton College 'Giles skillfully places before us the stark choice which each generation of theologians must face: will we allow the Bible to speak its message about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to us, or will we use the Bible to advance our own agenda? This important book deserves to be widely read and carefully considered.'---Paul D. Molnar, professor of systematic theology, St. John's University

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Register your artisan biography and upload your photo! Kevin Giles (Th.D., Australian College of Theology) is an ordained Anglican minister who was in parish ministry for forty years. He has studied in Australia, England and Germany, publishing broadly on topics such as the doctrine of the church, leadership in the apostolic age, the equality of men and women, the Trinity and congregational life. Giles has contributed numerous articles to scholarly journals, and to IVP's Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels and Dictionary of the Later New Testament and Its Development. Among his books are What on Earth Is the Church? and Patterns of Ministry Among the First Christians. He has also served as a minister and consulting theologian for World Vision Australia. Giles and his wife Lynley have four grown up children and nine grandchildren. They live in Melbourne, Australia.

Kevin Giles currently resides in North Carlton.

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This is the one.  Mar 22, 2007
Expanding on his earlier work, The Trinity and Subordinationism (IVP, 2002), Giles provides a thorough response to his critics with greater depth and insight. He makes his point strongly from biblical, theological, and historical grounds. If you read any book on the doctrine of the Trinity as it pertains to current debates, this is the one to read.
NOW I UNDERSTAND!  Oct 25, 2006
This was a hard book for me in the beginning, much new terminology, but as I kept going I realized that it brought clarity to SO MUCH of what I was witnessing and experiencing in the church.
An excellent companion read would be Paul R. Smith's "Is it okay to call God Mother: Considering the Feminine Face of God." Where Kevin Giles leaves off Paul R. Smith picks up in a book that is a much easier read. We perish for lack of knowledge. Some of us intuitively understand that SOMETHING is not right, but lack the background to discern WHAT is amiss. It used to be "enough" to just love Jesus, but to worship in spirit and TRUTH it is good to have a deeper understanding of truth and where leadership is trying to take us. Both books are worthy reads.
This book sheds light on the debate on women in ministry.  Sep 23, 2006
For anyone who cares to be orthodox in their thinking about the doctrine of the Trinity, this is a don't miss read. In this book Kevin Giles explains a number of important things: 1) that the distinctive mark of the Christian God is that God is Three in One; 2) that unless we understand that the Father, Son, and Spirit are equal in authority and power, we fail to carry forward the historic doctrine of the Trinity; 3)that much of the contemporary debate in conservative evangelical circles on the doctrine of the Trinity is really not about the Trinity, but rather about the proper role of women in the Church.

Giles rightly explains that it is heretical to think the Father has more authority than the Son. Church fathers such as Athanasius, the Cappodocians, Augustine, John of Damascus battled--on the basis of rigorous Bible study and the principles of logic--that the Father, Son, and Spirit have one authority. Yet Giles fails to make clear that it's one thing to deny Christ's deity (as the Arian heretics did), and another thing to deny the Son's equal authority with the Father (as Wayne Grudem and others are doing).

Incredibly important book  Jul 15, 2006
This book discusses how the Godhead is to be conceived in Christianity. As Voltaire wrote "God made man in his image and man returned the favor." The temptation to make God in our image is always with us and results in nothing less than a false "god" and therefore is idolatrous. We see how some evangelicals (like Wayne Grudem) are rewriting history and word definitions in order to promote the Arian idea of the eternal subordination of the Son in order to promote the subordination of women in family and church.

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