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God Godel And Grace: A Philosophy Of Faith [Paperback]

By Clifford Goldstein (Author)
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Pages   111
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 8.88" Width: 7.1" Height: 0.36"
Weight:   0.38 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   May 1, 2003
Publisher   Review & Herald Publishing
ISBN  0828017298  
EAN  9780828017299  

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Is life absurd, without purpose and meaning, or is there a formula beneath the ferment? Is religion merely canonized illusion, morality a mirage, and the only remaining sin, as Nietzsche says, "the sin against the earth"; or does humanity's moral compass have a true North Pole? Is faith a leap into the absurd, or a leap over it?

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Is life absurd, without purpose and meaning, or is there a formula beneath the ferment? Is religion merely canonized illusion, morality a mirage, and the only remaining sin, as Nietzsche says, "the sin against the earth"; or does humanity's moral compass have a true North Pole? Is faith a leap into the absurd, or a leap "over it? Though for centuries, science, philosophy, and logic have been used to dismantle faith, "God, Godel, and Grace turns these hammers and chisels into tools that build a logical, philosophical, and even "scientific" basis for faith. Along the way, the book asks what almost everyone asks: Why does a loving God allow evil? What about the dilemma of death? And how can faith answer a leaping and bounding atheism? And it even asks what not everyone is asking, such as How does Kant's epistemology strengthen faith? What does quantum theory reveal about the limits of reason and special relativity about the limits of sense perception? And why can Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem be a powerful tool in the hands of believers? Using everything from Beckett to C. S. Lewis, from the Gospels to the poetry of Wallace Stevens, this apologetic unapologetically confronts the hard questions that continually dog Christianity. And though one can never "prove" what needs to be taken on faith, it shows just how reasonable it can be to believe in what goes beyond reason.

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Best in Class!  Jan 17, 2006
This is one of the most profound books I have ever read. If you have issues with knowing IF God exists, this is the book for you. Many today believe God is a crutch for the weak-minded; surely those who are intelligent and educated need not lean on something so unknown, so unproven, as a belief in God. Goldstein answers basic scientific questions about the universe and how it works, and step-by-step leads the reader down a path of understanding of things such as quantum physics (which will stretch your mind unless you have already mastered that field!) and other scientific and logical arguments. By the time you finish this book, you will see that the only LOGICAL thing to do is to believe in a supreme God who created you, loved you, and died for you. Goldstein is a brilliant man and gifted author. You will enjoy this book even if you just want to read a logical, thoughtful, excellently written piece of literature.

Shelley Bacon
Terrible  Oct 20, 2005
I am (was?) sympathetic to some of the conclusions the author makes, but found his manner of getting to those conclusions highly offensive since the author relies heavily on the use of inflammatory rhetoric (name-calling, sarcasm, etc) to make his points. In addition to such stylistic considerations, the arguments are just not well-informed. For example, Goldstein mistakenly assumes that Godel's famous incompleteness proof applies to science as a whole. This is not so. Godel's proof only deals with formal systems, like arithmatic or formal logic. "Science" is not a formal system. Also, in his review of non-theistic culture and philosophy, he only uses examples that support his thesis that life without God is bleak and meaningless. Needless to say, such a view ignores a lot.

This book lowers the level of debate on this subject (which was pretty low to start with). Even if you are anxious to find a book that defends a conservative christian view of the world, I just can't recommend this book. Apologetics can be done in a much more intelligent and humane way than this.
Above and Beyond  Oct 11, 2005
Original: 10 Oct 05

As one with a doctorate in Comparative Literature and with a deep interest in the problem of faith in the modern world, I am absolutely blown away by the depth of Goldstein's knowledge and the height of his intellect. He has read everything, it seems, which ever tried to touch on the subject of faith and science--from Plato to Nietsche to C.S. Lewis to Paul Davies and beyond--and his grasp of the fundamental issues approaches the terrifying. His analyses of the ultimate logical conclusions of atheism and of the meaning and purpose of the Cross of Christ are more illuminating and challenging than anything else I have ever read. I would rate this book as an absolute must read for anyone who has ever questioned the place of God in the universe and the meaning of human suffering. This is not a large book--about a hundred pages with larger than normal typeface and more space than usual between the lines--but its weight cannot be counted in avoirdupois, or even troy. It is not an easy read--most readers would do well to have both a dictionary and a collegiate encyclopaedia at hand--but well worth the effort.

Update: 24 Feb 2006

I find rather curious T. Hanson's misunderstanding (or ignorance) of Godel's theorom. It did deal a death blow to a certain set of formalistic concepts, but it also bears directly on all of science and logic. It is, in essence, simply an exploration in mathematical terms of an ancient paradox of self-reference--which may be summarized in the disconcerting sentence: "This statement is a lie." If the statement is true, then it is false. If it is false, then it is true. One implication of Godel's theorem is that there will always exist certain true statements which cannot be proven to be true. Alan Turing provided a variant to the theorem which, even though stated specifically in terms of the computing machine, nevertheless extends the problem of the undecipherable proposition to every aspect of the real world. Gregory Chaitin of IBM constructed a "Diophantine equation" which infuses all of mathematics, and the universe, with a degree of randomness which even further extends the implications of Godel's theorem. Which brngs us back to Plato--and hence to Goldstein's insightful application of Godel's theorem to all of science and theology. As Goldstein correctly analyzes the theological implications of the theorem: Some truth stands beyond proof; the truth of God cannot be proven to be true. Hence the claims of atheism fail in that they attempt decipher the undecipherable and to apply logic to that which operates on a level which logic cannot touch.
The Big Questions  Aug 2, 2005
Science does not answer the big questions life hits us with. Science cannot.
Neither can logic. (However they are very useful tools and needful pursuits)
Goldstein demonstrates why this so. And then provides some very satisfying alternatives and thought provoking reason.
I recommend this book for any philosophy student or person plagued by any unanswered questions.
This book is a wonderful balance to new "science" philosophies that exalt their _faith_ simply because they call themselves "Scientists". They fail to realize that their _beliefs_ are no more _scientifically_ valid than any other faith, because science cannot touch on these issues.
Not complete, not decidable and not finite   Oct 5, 2004
Incompleteness, undecidablity and infinity and other non-absolute quantities. This book starts off by doing a good job on wedding the principles in science to Faith or belief or religion. Science is based on faith too. I read this book after borrowing it from a friend who preached in the absoluteness of Jesus Christ and complete disbelief or respect for any other faith. If you are looking for scientific justifications, this book gives you none. Just bundles highly unresolved issues in science into an absolute quantity and attributes it to divinity. There are many logical fallacies in the book if you have any clue about logic that is. However, if you are looking for a religious justification for the singularity of the universe and you are going to be happy with an answer with just 'God', then it is a warm pillow to hug and fall asleep. The book has at times a highly propagandist tone and for whatever claims are made in the book or whatever the so-called answers are attributed to, no citations or references are given. Some of it is purely conjecture.
God, nature, love could all be synonymous in the end. But, you cannot have, say one religion, for example Christianity to attribute the universe's answers to. That is like saying that an experiment can be replicated only once in only one lab only at one time and asking the rest of the world to agree with your results.
The books smoothly warps you up in some 'certain' answers to long standing philosophical questions and tactfully points to some organized religious beliefs as an answer. If you enjoy thinking that it has to be either science or faith, then you will 'believe' in this book. If you are of an objective thinker and agree with moderate views of science and faith helping each other out, then the book is certainly a disappiontment.
I believe in God too, but there's really no reason to believe in this guy's claims about sub molecular behavior or cosmology when he doesn't seem to have any kind of formal training in it. The effort is probably the best I have ever read by anyone overtly religious to push the stance of God into the modern world. However, thankfully we have REAL thinking philosophers who might see through some of the very loosely tied together arguments in the book.
It's enjoyable to read it though, the preachers seem to be atleast using scientific principles for their own use or misuse.

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